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| LouML |
 Posted: Mon May 05, 2014 6:55 am Post subject: Websphere MQ licensing question |
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I know this is a question for our purchasing department and our IBM sales rep but I'm just trying to get a heads up before we contact IBM.
Our firm is looking to move off of Solaris Zones and on to RedHat VM's for our WebSphere MQ Servers.
Does anyone know if IBM charges for all of the CPU's on a server when running a Linux RedHat VM or just what is configured for the virtual server?
Our Unix team is telling me they heard we may in fact have to pay a license for the total number of CPU's for MQ Server. With our Solaris Zones, we only get charged for what is configured for the zone server.
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| Vitor |
| Posted: Mon May 05, 2014 6:57 am Post subject: Re: Websphere MQ licensing question |
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| LouML wrote: |
| Does anyone know if IBM charges for all of the CPU's on a server when running a Linux RedHat VM or just what is configured for the virtual server? |
We're charged PVUs for the cores assigned to the given VM, the same model as we're charged within our Solaris Zoned world.
YMMV.
I am not now nor have I ever been part of the IBM marketing area.
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| LouML |
| Posted: Mon May 05, 2014 7:02 am Post subject: Re: Websphere MQ licensing question |
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| Vitor wrote: |
| LouML wrote: |
| Does anyone know if IBM charges for all of the CPU's on a server when running a Linux RedHat VM or just what is configured for the virtual server? |
We're charged PVUs for the cores assigned to the given VM, the same model as we're charged within our Solaris Zoned world.
YMMV.
I am not now nor have I ever been part of the IBM marketing area. |
Well, that's very good news.
I'm going to print this out and hang it on my wall. The next time someone says otheriwse, I'm going to say "Well, Vitor doesn't have to pay for the whole thing!" 
Thank you sir, for the extremely prompt response!
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| Vitor |
| Posted: Mon May 05, 2014 7:29 am Post subject: Re: Websphere MQ licensing question |
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| LouML wrote: |
| I'm going to print this out and hang it on my wall. The next time someone says otheriwse, I'm going to say "Well, Vitor doesn't have to pay for the whole thing!" |
You can also mention my compeditively priced course "Negociating with IBM; the importance of falling to the ground and crying like a girl until they take pity on you".
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| Tibor |
| Posted: Mon May 05, 2014 7:31 am Post subject: |
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| Vitor is right, but for more precise measurement, IBM recommends (oblige?) the customers for using its ILMT licensing tool in a virtualized environment. |
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| Vitor |
| Posted: Mon May 05, 2014 7:32 am Post subject: Re: Websphere MQ licensing question |
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| LouML wrote: |
| Well, Vitor doesn't have to pay for the whole thing! |
Let's also be clear - Vitor doesn't pay for anything. Vitor has a budget holding manager who deals with the whole sordid business of money. My responsibilities are entirely focused on the technical implementation, and herding developers into appropriate directions.
These directions of course include "towards Production", "towards SaaS" and "over a very high cliff".
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| Vitor |
| Posted: Mon May 05, 2014 7:33 am Post subject: |
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| Tibor wrote: |
| IBM recommends (oblige?) the customers for using its ILMT licensing tool in a virtualized environment. |
We are obliged to use ITLM on everything which has a chip. I think it's running in the vending machines. It's certainly on every Zone and VM.
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| PeterPotkay |
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Same here, we use ITLM, and that entitles us to take advantage of sub capacity licensing. Meaning that little virtual server with one virtual CPU running on a 12 node physical ESX cluster where each physical node has 8 octo core chips - you only pay for the 1 vCPU. Not the 12 x8 x 8 cores you would have to otherwise.
But this thread is all just a bunch of wackos on the internet - what your sales rep says goes, not what we say.
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| Vitor |
| Posted: Mon May 05, 2014 8:38 am Post subject: |
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| PeterPotkay wrote: |
| what your sales rep says goes, not what we say. |
And if I didn't make that completely clear in my original reply, let me underline it now.
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| Tibor |
| Posted: Mon May 05, 2014 12:08 pm Post subject: |
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| PeterPotkay wrote: |
| But this thread is all just a bunch of wackos on the internet... |
Disagree  I think we can help each other in this topic as far as it would be an MQ config question... |
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| Vitor |
| Posted: Mon May 05, 2014 12:59 pm Post subject: |
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| Tibor wrote: |
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| But this thread is all just a bunch of wackos on the internet... |
Disagree I think we can help each other in this topic as far as it would be an MQ config question... |
No, no, I'm a wacko. Ask anyone.
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| mqjeff |
| Posted: Mon May 05, 2014 1:33 pm Post subject: |
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| Vitor wrote: |
| Tibor wrote: |
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| But this thread is all just a bunch of wackos on the internet... |
Disagree I think we can help each other in this topic as far as it would be an MQ config question... |
No, no, I'm a wacko. Ask anyone. |
You've got good aspirations to be a wacko. But I think you're still only mostly eccentric. |
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| exerk |
| Posted: Tue May 06, 2014 12:11 am Post subject: Re: Websphere MQ licensing question |
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| Vitor wrote: |
| ...My responsibilities are entirely focused on the technical implementation, and herding developers into appropriate directions... |
Bloody good luck with that; herding cats is easier!
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| LouML |
| Posted: Tue May 06, 2014 1:28 am Post subject: Re: Websphere MQ licensing question |
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| Vitor wrote: |
| LouML wrote: |
| I'm going to print this out and hang it on my wall. The next time someone says otheriwse, I'm going to say "Well, Vitor doesn't have to pay for the whole thing!" |
You can also mention my compeditively priced course "Negociating with IBM; the importance of falling to the ground and crying like a girl until they take pity on you". |
Tried to book your course but the class was already full. IBM offered the following as a substitute: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdFLPn30dvQ
We already run ITLM. We had some issues with an early release where it wasn't calculating Solaris Zones correctly but that issue is resolved. We just want to make sure that it accurately calculates PVU's for Linux VM's as well.
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