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| RocknRambo |
 Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2011 12:34 pm Post subject: Integration with .Net Applications |
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What are the possible options in WMB v7 to integrate with .Net applications.
Any article/pointing is much appreciated
Message Broker v7
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| Vitor |
| Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2011 12:57 pm Post subject: Re: Integration with .Net Applications |
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| RocknRambo wrote: |
| What are the possible options in WMB v7 to integrate with .Net applications. |
Have the .NET application write to or read from a WMQ queue
Have the .NET application use TCP/IP or SOAP to send or receive requests
Have the .NET application write to or read from a file
Other options are undoubtably possible, but you get my drift.
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| RocknRambo |
| Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2011 2:49 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks for your insight.
I have been told about .NET Compute Node, MSMQ input and output nodes ? are these available OOTB as primitive nodes? or purchase option.
Not sure if the constraint is 'MB on Windows' only
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| Vitor |
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| RocknRambo wrote: |
| I have been told about .NET Compute Node, MSMQ input and output nodes ? are these available OOTB as primitive nodes? or purchase option. |
Ask whoever told you; they're news to me.
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| fjb_saper |
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| RocknRambo wrote: |
Thanks for your insight.
I have been told about .NET Compute Node, MSMQ input and output nodes ? are these available OOTB as primitive nodes? or purchase option.
Not sure if the constraint is 'MB on Windows' only
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I would translate .NET Compute Node to custom compute node written in C.
MSMQ input and output nodes => look at foundation channel communications with Microsoft to MQ...
Otherwise I am like Vitor: stumped... Never heard of them... 
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| fjb_saper wrote: |
| I would translate .NET Compute Node to custom compute node written in C. |
There's a lot of time & technology between C and .NET (C#) - can you do a custom node in that? You'd need GAC & all sorts?
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| MSMQ input and output nodes => look at foundation channel communications with Microsoft to MQ... |
Pedantically WCF support is WMQv7 not WMBv7. And it's certainly not a "node" in the sense it's being used here. Clearly (and as previously discussed in here) you can use WCF/.NET/etc to bridge MSMQ & WMQ but that's an app not a node.
Interested to know how this pans out. Maybe there's a 3rd party supplier out there?
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| fjb_saper |
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| Vitor wrote: |
| fjb_saper wrote: |
| I would translate .NET Compute Node to custom compute node written in C. |
There's a lot of time & technology between C and .NET (C#) - can you do a custom node in that? You'd need GAC & all sorts? |
No I am not referring to C#. Visual Studio is the same for all languages supported by the CLR (C# and C (managed and unmanaged) ).
Hence I would see an easy confusion if the custom node was built in C and specifically targeted the windows platform...
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| fjb_saper wrote: |
| MSMQ input and output nodes => look at foundation channel communications with Microsoft to MQ... |
Pedantically WCF support is WMQv7 not WMBv7. And it's certainly not a "node" in the sense it's being used here. Clearly (and as previously discussed in here) you can use WCF/.NET/etc to bridge MSMQ & WMQ but that's an app not a node.
Interested to know how this pans out. Maybe there's a 3rd party supplier out there? |
 Using the custom node (written in C) you could potentially mirror the MQ nodes for use with MSMQ... Maybe there is a 3rd party supplier that does just that?
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| RocknRambo |
| Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2011 5:14 am Post subject: |
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Apparently these features are expected to be in the v8 of the Message Broker, which is planned to beta in Q4 of 2011.
integration with .Net applications will be simplified and provided as the primitive nodes
I guess... will have to stay tuned.
We have a customer with major .Net platform, looking for MB as an ESB
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| Vitor |
| Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2011 5:19 am Post subject: |
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| RocknRambo wrote: |
| Apparently these features are expected to be in the v8 of the Message Broker, which is planned to beta in Q4 of 2011. |
Source of that planned date? How official is it? I ask only because v7 was GA Nov 2010.
Also a link to a list of these expected features would be interesting.
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| mqjeff |
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| RocknRambo wrote: |
| Apparently these features are expected to be in the v8 of the Message Broker, which is planned to beta in Q4 of 2011. |
So what you are saying is that you have posted information that you may have received under an NDA to a public forum?
Are you sure you meant to do that? |
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| smdavies99 |
| Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2011 5:37 am Post subject: |
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If there is (and this is speculation & rumour) a .NET node in V8 (or whatever the next release is numbered) the nthis will break one of the most important USP of Broker.
Namely ther ability to develop on the desktop and run on anything from the desktop to the Mainfram on a very different set of Hardware platforms.
.NET is totally limited to a Microsoft Windows Platform. My guess is that less than 20% of Broker Runtimes (in production) are on this platform. This node will have very limited appeal indeed.
As has been said, .NET is already able to interface to WMQ so a good part of the integration is already there. Quite why IBM would want to dev a node that is as limited in use as this I don't quite grok.
Again this is my own opinion. I don't work for IBM so I don't have any inside gen on what's coming down the pipe.
OTOH, it would be really neat for Microsoft to finally ack that there is a world of computing outside Windows and produce a .NET clr for Solaris, Z/OS etc.
Oh, an there is a squadron of pigs flying over the thames as I speak.
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| smdavies99 wrote: |
| OTOH, it would be really neat for Microsoft to finally ack that there is a world of computing outside Windows and produce a .NET clr for Solaris, Z/OS etc. |
The union of Microsoft and IBM. It's been coming for years. But who buys who....?
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| Oh, an there is a squadron of pigs flying over the thames as I speak. |
Are they doing close formation dives over Blackfriars bridge again?
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| lancelotlinc wrote: |
| In the event that someone needs to process MSMQ traffic, my customers use MSMQ-MQSeries Bridge. |
And if for some reason this is unacceptable it's easy enough to roll your own for this.
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| There are tons more important features that WMB needs |
IIRC we even have a thread of requests / suggestions somewhere. Which I can't seem to find just now.
(Production call at midnight, not slept yet, Red Bull either not yet kicked in or my body is saturated depending on how much I've had so far)
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| mqjeff |
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| smdavies99 wrote: |
If there is (and this is speculation & rumour) a .NET node in V8 (or whatever the next release is numbered) the nthis will break one of the most important USP of Broker.
Namely ther ability to develop on the desktop and run on anything from the desktop to the Mainfram on a very different set of Hardware platforms. |
Consider the question of WTX.
WTX does not come with Broker as a built-in node, you have to purchase it separately.
But you can not use WTX without installing it into an environment that has Broker and running it inside Broker. And you can only deploy flows that have WTX nodes to Brokers that have WTX installed.
So does WTX break this same USP? |
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