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| friedl.otto |
 Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 4:25 am Post subject: Tried |
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fjb_saper posted the following sample to hop-skip-and-jump a message:
QM1 -> QM2 -> QM3
QM1:
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DEFINE QREMOTE('MYDEST') RQMNAME('QM3') RNAME('MYDEST')
DEFINE QREMOTE('QM3') RQMNAME('QM3') RNAME('') XMITQ('QM2')
DEFINE QLOCAL('QM2') USAGE (XMITQ)
DEFINE CHANNEL('QM1_TO_QM2') CHLTYPE(SDR) CONNAME('QM2Host(QM2Port)') XMITQ('QM2') |
QM2:
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DEFINE CHANNEL('QM1_TO_QM2') CHLTYPE(RCVR)
DEFINE CHANNEL('QM2_TO_QM3') CHLTYPE(SDR) CONNAME('QM3Host(QM3Port)') XMITQ('QM3')
DEFINE QLOCAL('QM3') USAGE (XMITQ) |
QM3:
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DEFINE CHANNEL('QM2_TO_QM3') CHLTYPE(RCVR)
DEFINE QLOCAL('MYDEST') |
I have entered the QM1 details, since I wanted to see how the message
would look on the XMITQ. I posted a message to 'MYDEST' and got this:
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| 2091 0x0000082b MQRC_XMIT_Q_TYPE_ERROR |
Am I a dimwit?
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| Vitor |
| Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 4:41 am Post subject: Re: Tried |
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| friedl.otto wrote: |
| Someone posted the following sample to hop-skip-and-jump a message |
I think it was the Intercommunication manual, which quotes this scenario.
| friedl.otto wrote: |
| Am I a dimwit? |
This is a question we must all ask ourselves from time to time, and only our conscience can answer it.
If you mean "have I made a stupid mistake in the configuration" I'd:
- check that you've actually defined what you think you've defined (fingers are such tricky blighters)
- think about what that error means (with especial reference to what you've defined in terms of queues)
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| Gaya3 |
| Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 4:44 am Post subject: Re: Tried |
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| friedl.otto wrote: |
QM1 -> QM2 -> QM3
QM1:
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DEFINE QREMOTE('MYDEST') RQMNAME('QM3') RNAME('MYDEST')
DEFINE QREMOTE('QM3') RQMNAME('QM3') RNAME('') XMITQ('QM2')
DEFINE QLOCAL('QM2') USAGE (XMITQ)
DEFINE CHANNEL('QM1_TO_QM2') CHLTYPE(SDR) CONNAME('QM2Host(QM2Port)') XMITQ('QM2') |
QM2:
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DEFINE CHANNEL('QM1_TO_QM2') CHLTYPE(RCVR)
DEFINE CHANNEL('QM2_TO_QM3') CHLTYPE(SDR) CONNAME('QM3Host(QM3Port)') XMITQ('QM3')
DEFINE QLOCAL('QM3') USAGE (XMITQ) |
QM3:
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DEFINE CHANNEL('QM2_TO_QM3') CHLTYPE(RCVR)
DEFINE QLOCAL('MYDEST') |
I have entered the QM1 details, since I wanted to see how the message
would look on the XMITQ. I posted a message to 'MYDEST' and got this:
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| 2091 0x0000082b MQRC_XMIT_Q_TYPE_ERROR |
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this code wont help you to pass the message to QM3,
Regards
Gayathri
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| friedl.otto |
| Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 4:46 am Post subject: Re: Tried |
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| Vitor wrote: |
| check that you've actually defined what you think you've defined (fingers are such tricky blighters) |
Copied and pasted what is shown in my post.
| Vitor wrote: |
| think about what that error means (with especial reference to what you've defined in terms of queues) |
I have pondered the possibilities. And the best I could come up with (since
I never do evil stuff like this) is that QREMOTE('MYDEST') requires a
correctly configured XMITQ(<something>) attribute.
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| Vitor |
| Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 4:50 am Post subject: Re: Tried |
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| friedl.otto wrote: |
And the best I could come up with (since
I never do evil stuff like this) is that QREMOTE('MYDEST') requires a
correctly configured XMITQ(<something>) attribute. |
Evil? You think this is evil? Try doing a hub-and-spoke without it, then you'll see evil!
And you could specify an XMITQ on the definition of MYDEST. I thought you were trying to investigate a more generic solution though; a multi-hop from QM1->QM3 which could be used generically by any remote queue.
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| friedl.otto |
| Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 5:11 am Post subject: Re: Tried |
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| Vitor wrote: |
| Evil? You think this is evil? Try doing a hub-and-spoke without it, then you'll see evil! |
What is wrong with:
1. SRC System uses bindings connection to MQ_PUT with X/A sweetness.
2. Channel polls QREMOTE's XMITQ and transmits message.
3. HUB QMGR receives message and dumps to relevant QLOCAL.
4. Middleware uses bindings connection to MQ_GET with X/A sweetness.
5. Middleware adds value by doing routing and/or transformation.
6. Middleware uses bindings connection to MQ_PUT with X/A sweetness.
7. Channel polls QREMOTE's XMITQ and transmits message.
8. TGT QMGR receives message and dumps to relevant QLOCAL.
9. TGT System uses bindings connection to MQ_GET with X/A sweetness.
Why would you hard-wire source-routing?
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| And you could specify an XMITQ on the definition of MYDEST. I thought you were trying to investigate a more generic solution though; a multi-hop from QM1->QM3 which could be used generically by any remote queue. |
See that is the part I don't get ... this arcane Tarzan swinging business!
Please show me what QM1's config should look like, for me to see a
message on the XMITQ when the channel is stopped.
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| Vitor |
| Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 5:25 am Post subject: Re: Tried |
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| friedl.otto wrote: |
What is wrong with:
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Assumes the existence of middleware. Multi-hop can be achieved for only the cost of the WMQ licenses. As a side point, XA is redundant if you're only moving messages around; there's nothing external to coordinate with.
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| Why would you hard-wire source-routing? |
Because you've no middleware to handle the routing (see above).
And to pre-empt your next point, there are a lot of sites running this sort of configuration refuse to spend the money on either WMB or a home-grown solution. I offer this as an simple fact, without opinion on the wisdom of such a refusal.
The customer is always right, providing he pays the invoice.
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| See that is the part I don't get ... this arcane Tarzan swinging business! Please show me what QM1 should look like. |
It should look like you're trying to address the message to QM3. Look at the example in the Intercommunication manual.
You should also review http://www.mqseries.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=41723
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| friedl.otto |
| Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 5:57 am Post subject: Re: Tried |
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| Vitor wrote: |
Assumes the existence of middleware. Multi-hop can be achieved for only the cost of the WMQ licenses. As a side point, XA is redundant if you're only moving messages around; there's nothing external to coordinate with.
Because you've no middleware to handle the routing (see above). |
True, if you are simply putting messages because you can, then I guess
having transactionality is not something you're worried about.
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| And to pre-empt your next point, there are a lot of sites running this sort of configuration refuse to spend the money on either WMB or a home-grown solution. I offer this as an simple fact, without opinion on the wisdom of such a refusal. |
Then I will abstain from asking what the point of the hub is if it simply 'sits
there' and takes takes routing orders from everyone. 
| Vitor wrote: |
| The customer is always right, providing he pays the invoice. |
You are to 'jaded', what Diablo is to 'naughty'. 
Oh rub it in! 
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| Vitor |
| Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 6:10 am Post subject: Re: Tried |
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| friedl.otto wrote: |
Then I will abstain from asking what the point of the hub is if it simply 'sits
there' and takes takes routing orders from everyone.
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Despite your abstenance, I shall answer that it prevents the web of interconnected queue managers you'd get if there wasn't a hub. There's this nifty formular that proves if you've got n queue managers you need n squared -1 (or something) connections.
In these more enlightened days, you'd probably use a cluster, but if you have a small number of queue managers that can be overkill especially if the hardware is not what you'd call powerful.
| friedl.otto wrote: |
| Vitor wrote: |
| The customer is always right, providing he pays the invoice. |
You are to 'jaded', what Diablo is to 'naughty'. |
Is any part of that news? 
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| fjb_saper |
| Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 3:53 pm Post subject: |
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The example was meant for a CLUSTER.
If you are not in a cluster you need to modify as follows
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| DEFINE QREMOTE('MYDEST') RQMNAME('QM3') RNAME('MYDEST') XMITQ(QM2) |
Enjoy 
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