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| edarasumanth |
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What you're saying is that WTXMB cannot trigger a message flow?
In other words, a WTX map is only invoked by a DTX node in a message flow, right?
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WTXMB can trigger a Message flow. if it wont triggers then what is the use of introducing DTX node into the MB.
In the previous reply i have clearly quoted the action pertaining to the Map Designer of WTX.
U need to trigger the Message flow not .mmc. Intermediately it will be calling map file during the execution. |
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| sarat |
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| JYama |
| Posted: Sun Feb 18, 2007 8:37 pm Post subject: |
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I just a bit studied about WTXWB.
Here's the summary. 
WTXMB is plug-in as an extension of WMB, which consists of a couple of plug-in nodes and enables a message flow to call WTX maps.
The maps provid various features such as file access.
For example, a message flow triggers a WTX map,
the map
retrieves a file,
transforms it, for example, into different structure,
sends the updated file to another system,
and then, returns the result response to the message frow.
I'll try its hands-on soon. 
In addition, WTX provides further extension, which includes, for example, scheduler and event server, which requires additional money(license).
(With this extension, WTX can trigger a message flow.)
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| billybong |
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Using Datastage to do FTP from the WMB seems a little bit overkill imho.
If that is all you need you might as well use some java class that does the ftp-ing. There are a lot of code examples showing how to use FTP from java, all you have to do is to incorporate that with your broker logic.
Datastage TX (or rather, WTX) node is used mostly for customers who already have WTX or Mercator skills, and is a way to reuse all those mappings they might have developed.
Also, I think it will be a good thing to learn about WTX on a personal level, since IBM will probably aim for a single transformation engine in the future, instead of creating one for every product. That engine would then be combatible with products like i.e. the ESB, WMB and Partner GW.
If I were IBM, WTX would be the one I chose.
Just my 2 cents.
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| JYama |
| Posted: Mon Feb 19, 2007 4:35 pm Post subject: |
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| Using Datastage to do FTP from the WMB seems a little bit overkill |
I agree.
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| Datastage TX (or rather, WTX) node is used mostly for customers who already have WTX or Mercator skills, and is a way to reuse all those mappings they might have developed. |
Well, currently I'm curious about how IBM will brush up and re-organize their product portfolio.
I guess WTX would be common data transformation engine within various WebSphere products, which makes up for shortcomings and provides common ways to transform complex data.
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| JYama |
| Posted: Mon Feb 26, 2007 11:19 pm Post subject: Event Server? |
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Does anybody know this?
I want to trigger a message flow by WTX map and learned that WTX provided an event server, which can be an event scheduler and event-driven solution.
Although I've installed WTXMB and WTX desing studios, I can't understand how an event server works/starts.
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| jefflowrey |
| Posted: Tue Feb 27, 2007 4:32 am Post subject: |
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I think WTXMB doesn't come with the Event Server.
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| JYama |
| Posted: Tue Feb 27, 2007 11:47 pm Post subject: |
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| I think WTXMB doesn't come with the Event Server. |
Actually I wanted to know how a message flow could be triggered by WTX.
Anyway, now I understand WTX event server is a completely different product from WTXMB.
My conclusion here is that without WTX event server, we can't trigger a message flow.
In other words, WTX maps are always invoked by message flows. |
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| billybong |
| Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 8:38 am Post subject: |
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Actually WTX uses two server modes. The launcher and the command server.
The command server is used i.e. by a cron job which enters the data to be transformed as arguments to commands on the command line.
The launcher is a server that can listen to different triggers, i.e. a message that arrives on a queue. These triggers are specified in the WTX's "systems", sort of the same as flows in WMB.
So, WTX can be triggered to initialize a mapping by some sort of event. I dont know if that map could then trigger a WMB flow or not, but it would sure be interesting to find out.
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| jefflowrey |
| Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 8:46 am Post subject: |
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Billybong - please be careful to distinguish when you are talking about the WebSphere Transformation Extender for Message Broker, and when you are talking about WebSphere Transformation Extender standalone.
I believe that WTXMB can only be initiated inside a message flow.s
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| ashoon |
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| JYama wrote: |
Actually I wanted to know how a message flow could be triggered by WTX.
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Curious as to why you would want to do this? what is your triggering event? |
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| dave moule |
| Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2007 5:17 am Post subject: MBFE has DBCS support |
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| JYama wrote: |
So if WebSphre Tx for MB can run standalone, does it mean Tx can invoke a message flow?
Also I'm curious about if Tx have FTP access.
In additoin, in my understanding, MBFE doesn't have DBCS support.
What about WebSphere Tx for MB?
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Just to clarify the above, MBFE does have DBCS support.
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Dave Moule, IBM Hursley |
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| billybong |
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| jefflowrey wrote: |
Billybong - please be careful to distinguish when you are talking about the WebSphere Transformation Extender for Message Broker, and when you are talking about WebSphere Transformation Extender standalone.
I believe that WTXMB can only be initiated inside a message flow.s |
Ok, I've never done any serious evaluation on the WTX MB distributable, I was just assuming that they were similar in concept. This would be great stuff for a developerworks article since the architectual usage of the combined products are a bit vague at the moment. As a colleague of mine says.. "Assumption is the mother of all f*** ups." 
Thanks for the correction though.
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| JYama |
| Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2007 6:31 pm Post subject: |
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| Curious as to why you would want to do this? what is your triggering event? |
Actually it's just an example.
I'm considering if WTX would be able to work instead of WebSphere Adapters, because I guess we would be able to use WTX(MB) adapters with cheaper cost.
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| This would be great stuff for a developerworks article since the architectual usage of the combined products are a bit vague at the moment. |
YES!
I believe we need something like a guideline allowing us to understand the current complex product portfolio.
Thanx. |
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