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| spherenewbie |
 Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2012 9:17 am Post subject: MQ design considerations |
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Hi All,
Hoping someone can point me in the right direction in terms of resources
I need to come up with a design document that details two MQ setups (QM-to-QM & Client-to-QM). This needs to include detail such as failovers, connectivity (in terms of NAT'ing incoming connections to specific listener ports), encryption, security etc. I have made a start by looking at the intercommunication doc which is extremely detailed (useful) and although it is useful I cannot cram it in a day to be able to produce something useful. Are there any other resources I could follow that could point me in the right direction design wise.
I am happy to put the effort in; sleepless nights, buckets of coffee and all so not expecting anyone to hand-hold me in anyway, just some guidance.
Any tips would be appreciated.
I am rather new to the MQ world, have been experimenting with the two above-mentioned setups but there is without doubt a lot to be learnt.
PS - sorry if this has been already discussed on the forum. |
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| bruce2359 |
| Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2012 9:29 am Post subject: |
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I first strongly suggest that you get formal training in WMQ system administration.
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| lancelotlinc |
| Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2012 9:33 am Post subject: |
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| bruce2359 wrote: |
| I first strongly suggest that you get formal training in WMQ system administration. |
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| Vitor |
| Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2012 9:51 am Post subject: Re: MQ design considerations |
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| spherenewbie wrote: |
| I am happy to put the effort in; sleepless nights, buckets of coffee and all so not expecting anyone to hand-hold me in anyway, just some guidance. |
The guidance, aside from training, is to put in the effort and accept that you're jumping straight into the deep end. A very deep end.
What you're describing is a full blown, all i's dotted, all t's crossed, production strength design which would take an competent and experienced WMQ architect a few weeks to pull together. For instance, client connectivity is a whole thing by itself, combine that with client failover and that's another entire topic. Then you need to factor in client security which is not a simple thing.
All that before you've got word one on the server side aspects.
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| spherenewbie |
| Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2012 10:01 am Post subject: |
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I totally agree with the comments. Training for instance is on the cards, as soon as I can find a suitable training venue, get the company to budget ... the usual stuff! but even with training unless I put the effort in to 'learn' the product I am getting no where ...
I have only scraped the surface so far (and that has taken me a good few days) and yes I agree Vitor I have jumped (rather been thrown into) a very deep end.
However, I have three days (well 5 inc the weekend) to get something together however basic - a couple of pages, a few diagrams, some design suggestions to get the ball rolling. It can all be fine tuned once I have a sensible dialogue going with the other party. The course once I get onto one can run in parallel
So to summarise, I couldn't be in a worse position but it has to be done, that sadly is the fact.
Thank for taking time to reply folks! |
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| bruce2359 |
| Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2012 10:08 am Post subject: |
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| spherenewbie wrote: |
So to summarise, I couldn't be in a worse position but it has to be done, that sadly is the fact. |
Somehow your organization believes, and expects, that you can and will deliver on a very technical subject which has broad business implications, and with which you have zero expertise. How did this happen?
The worse positions you are overlooking are being thought of as incompetent, and/or being terminated.
I see a flashing neon sign that reads: "Doomed to fail! Doomed to fail!"
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| Vitor |
| Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2012 10:22 am Post subject: |
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| spherenewbie wrote: |
| However, I have three days (well 5 inc the weekend) to get something together however basic - a couple of pages, a few diagrams, some design suggestions to get the ball rolling. It can all be fine tuned once I have a sensible dialogue going with the other party. |
Given that I work weekends under protest, and I've been using WMQ for more years than I like to think about, I'd struggle to pull together a document covering all the topics you've mentioned in anything like enough detail to be of any value whatsoever. Clearly you can do a diagram with boxes linked with arrows in a few minutes, and list out all your topics as bullet points you need to cover, but that's not a document with any value. You'll barely define the ball in that time, never mind get it rolling. As for fine tuning, it's like Michelangelo pointing to a huge boulder and saying, "it's a statue of David; still needs some fine tuning of course".
I echo the comment of my associate, while wondering if whoever gave you this little task either doesn't like you, or has a family member they feel would be ideal in your role.
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| McueMart |
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The only advice I can offer is that simply reading reams of documents/infocenter/redbooks wont help you much. You'll be much better off simply starting 'playing' with MQ and getting some simple stuff working.
At least you'll then know a lot about a little, which is better (imho) than knowing a little about a lot. |
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| bruce2359 |
| Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2012 10:36 am Post subject: |
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| McueMart wrote: |
The only advice I can offer is that simply reading reams of documents/infocenter/redbooks wont help you much. You'll be much better off simply starting 'playing' with MQ and getting some simple stuff working.
At least you'll then know a lot about a little, which is better (imho) than knowing a little about a lot. |
This does not address the OP.
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| spherenewbie |
| Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2012 10:38 am Post subject: |
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| McueMart wrote: |
The only advice I can offer is that simply reading reams of documents/infocenter/redbooks wont help you much. You'll be much better off simply starting 'playing' with MQ and getting some simple stuff working.
At least you'll then know a lot about a little, which is better (imho) than knowing a little about a lot. |
Thanks for the advice.
Yup I am <enterWordOfChoiceHere> anyway, might as well learn something, go down in style lol. Who knows I might help half a dozen 'management' folks avoid losing face ... this is what happens when people get greedy and make promises. Someone somewhere in the org takes the brunt. |
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| bruce2359 |
| Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2012 10:49 am Post subject: |
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This may be an opportunity for you to demonstrate your professionalism by telling management straightforwardly that this task is far beyond your current skill-level.
You do understand that there are subject matter experts here that we charitably call 'consultants', that can do what you/your organization is asking.
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| lancelotlinc |
| Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2012 11:04 am Post subject: |
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| bruce2359 wrote: |
| this task is far beyond your current skill-level. |
Another W-O-R-D !
Someone with a few years of hands-on WMQ experience is needed to accomplish what you propose. Your company is better off hiring an MQ architect for a few weeks to put together the documents.
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| Vitor |
| Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2012 11:17 am Post subject: |
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| spherenewbie wrote: |
| Who knows I might help half a dozen 'management' folks avoid losing face |
Why?
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| this is what happens when people get greedy and make promises. |
Common management practice.
| spherenewbie wrote: |
| Someone somewhere in the org takes the brunt. |
It's a pleasure to meet you. Don't forget to include "scapegoat" on your CV.
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| exerk |
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| bruce2359 wrote: |
| You do understand that there are subject matter experts here that we charitably call 'consultants'... |
I resemble that remark 
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| bruce2359 |
| Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2012 2:06 pm Post subject: |
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| exerk wrote: |
| bruce2359 wrote: |
| You do understand that there are subject matter experts here that we charitably call 'consultants'... |
I resemble that remark |
Me, too.
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