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| chaitanya.siri |
 Posted: Thu May 31, 2012 11:32 pm Post subject: Want to move my career from DBTesting to WMB development |
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Hi friends,
I am newbie to WMB. Presently Iam working in QA Testing ( In database testing) and Functional QA. I am Having knowledge in SQL and PL SQL till Functions, procedure and Packages.
I would like to move to Message Broker developement career. I am very hardworking person. So is it a right move. Kindly give me a valuable advice
Kind Regards
Chaitanya |
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| Vitor |
| Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2012 3:56 am Post subject: Re: Want to move my career from DBTesting to WMB development |
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| chaitanya.siri wrote: |
| Kindly give me a valuable advice |
Increase your knowledge of programming structures. Wider knowledge than stored procedures and functions will aid you. I'm told Java is a popular choice for this, and can of course be leveraged in a WMB environment. It's also, as I understand, widely used in stand alone (non-WMB) applications so could offer you more career options.
Become skilled in the arts of integration and ESB. Get a solid knowledge of XML, XSD, WSDL and more legacy formats.
Know your way around http, SSL, JMS / WMQ.
Once you feel grounded in all that, get training in the WMB product. You'll find links for the training all over this forum.
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| lancelotlinc |
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WMB seems easy for people who have a big heart. You have to endure lots of disappointment until your flows start working. Tenacity, attention to detail and dedication to a team effort are characteristics of successful WMB developers. One person does not a team make. Surround yourself with good friends whom you can bounce ideas off of. We have a saying in our team, with WMB development, solve one problem, your reward is three more problems. WMB toolkit has a 90 day trial. Download it and try it out at home. At work, see if you can get a toolkit installed on your desktop to follow the source code changes as they come.
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| chaitanya.siri |
| Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2012 3:26 am Post subject: Re: Want to move my career from DBTesting to WMB development |
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Hi Vitor,
Thank you very much for the guidance. I Started working on the Core Java basics from today...
So till core java is enough for the WMB?
Kind Regards
Chaitanya
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| chaitanya.siri wrote: |
| Kindly give me a valuable advice |
Increase your knowledge of programming structures. Wider knowledge than stored procedures and functions will aid you. I'm told Java is a popular choice for this, and can of course be leveraged in a WMB environment. It's also, as I understand, widely used in stand alone (non-WMB) applications so could offer you more career options.
Become skilled in the arts of integration and ESB. Get a solid knowledge of XML, XSD, WSDL and more legacy formats.
Know your way around http, SSL, JMS / WMQ.
Once you feel grounded in all that, get training in the WMB product. You'll find links for the training all over this forum. |
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| chaitanya.siri |
| Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2012 3:30 am Post subject: |
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Hi lancelotlinc,
Thanks alot for the valueable inputs,
I have my friend circle of 4 guys from same team are working on this...
Will follow your instructions...
Cheers
Chaitanya
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| WMB seems easy for people who have a big heart. You have to endure lots of disappointment until your flows start working. Tenacity, attention to detail and dedication to a team effort are characteristics of successful WMB developers. One person does not a team make. Surround yourself with good friends whom you can bounce ideas off of. We have a saying in our team, with WMB development, solve one problem, your reward is three more problems. WMB toolkit has a 90 day trial. Download it and try it out at home. At work, see if you can get a toolkit installed on your desktop to follow the source code changes as they come. |
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| Vitor |
| Posted: Sun Jun 03, 2012 7:22 am Post subject: Re: Want to move my career from DBTesting to WMB development |
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| chaitanya.siri wrote: |
So till core java is enough for the WMB?
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No, you need all the other stuff I mentioned as well. That's why I mentioned it.
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| bruce2359 |
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WMB is a very, very robust product.
You can add COBOL (copybooks) and z/Assembler (DSECTs) to your to-learn list.
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| bruce2359 |
| Posted: Sun Jun 03, 2012 12:32 pm Post subject: |
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Moved to WMQ support forum.
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| smdavies99 |
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| bruce2359 wrote: |
WMB is a very, very robust product.
You can add COBOL (copybooks) and z/Assembler (DSECTs) to your to-learn list. |
Do you want to put off the poor student before they begin?
You (in general) only need those skills if you are working with the wierd and wonderful world of Mainframes. In 10 years of Broker dev, I have never been subjected to that particular form of torture.
  
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| Vitor |
| Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2012 4:36 am Post subject: |
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| smdavies99 wrote: |
| bruce2359 wrote: |
WMB is a very, very robust product.
You can add COBOL (copybooks) and z/Assembler (DSECTs) to your to-learn list. |
Do you want to put off the poor student before they begin?
You (in general) only need those skills if you are working with the wierd and wonderful world of Mainframes. In 10 years of Broker dev, I have never been subjected to that particular form of torture.
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To be fair, my earlier comment of "more legacy formats" was principally directed at COBOL copybook formats, to which I've often been exposed as that's a common format for the legacy mainframe apps I have to integrate with.
I've never heard of anyone passing DSECTS around like they're a data format.... 
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| bruce2359 |
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DSECTs are data overlays (templates), just like COBOL copybooks.
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| Vitor |
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| bruce2359 wrote: |
| DSECTs are data overlays (templates), just like COBOL copybooks. |
Yes I know that and have (on rare occassion & with much nervousness) used them myself, but in some 4 decades of z/OS I've never seen them used outside the assembler world.
Not in the way a COBOL copybook is used in mainframe to describe data being passed round.
Maybe I've just led a sheltered life.
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| Vitor wrote: |
Not in the way a COBOL copybook is used in mainframe to describe data being passed round.
Maybe I've just led a sheltered life. |
Sheltered life, indeed.
Both DSECTs and copybooks are used to describe data format - only the programming language differs. Take a look at the APR for the MQMD, for example.
Apparently, universities are still teaching students that COBOL no longer exists. A quick google search tells a different story.
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| Vitor |
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| universities are still teaching students that COBOL no longer exists. |
COBOL will outlive us all, probably outlive the fall of civilisation and when the giant chickens build their spaceships to escape the Earth when the Sun explodes the budgeting & finance will probably still be running some legacy COBOL.
I'm impressed our associate has managed 10 years avoiding COBOL. My experience is that I've never seen a DSECT used to describe a data format anywhere outside the assembler code. Where data's shared, I see the format expressed in a copybook.
I offer into evidence that the Toolkit imports COBOL for you but doesn't include a DSECT importer. Though I accept the resulting message set from both would be equivalent.
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| smdavies99 |
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| Vitor wrote: |
I'm impressed our associate has managed 10 years avoiding COBOL. |
Thanks for the compliment Vitor.
I have written Cobol progams in the past but never for the MF. These used VMS Cobol. I even wrote one Cobol program to demo a DEC product called ProView. This had a proper Queue Manager hidden in its depths complete with distributed nodes plus store/forward. Circa 1981/82.
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