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| Vitor |
 Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2011 7:49 am Post subject: Migrating WebMethods |
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This site currently has a large amount of live, production integrations running in WebMethods. Very Senior Management have Decided that WebMethods will be decommissioned and all the integrations will be On Another Platform by the end of 2012.
I don't know too much about WebMethods apart from it's all Java & web services and there's Less Senior Management view going round that "we can port it all into WMB", i.e. into my lap.
My personal view is that it's a better fit with WESB, a view somewhat supported by the WESB team. On the understanding that neither product is likely to be able to just pick up the existing code I'm looking for:
- any supporting links for the WESB v WMB question
- any suggestions on how much of the WebMethods code is likely to be directly extractable and reusable
- any suggested methods for extracting / exporting the WebMethods code
I also have one more direct point. There's custom code in Java inside this thing. Given the difference in structure between the products, does the readership believe that a JCN could be constructed that could encapsulate & use the existing Java, and would such a JCN be reusable for all such WebMethods Java?
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| mqjeff |
| Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2011 7:57 am Post subject: |
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You want to take app server code, and wrap it in a JCN and run it inside Broker? 
This really sounds like your opportunity to learn Java... 
You'll find that the webMethods code almost certainly relies heavily on - obsolete versions of java libraries,
- J2EE specific features,
- webMethods specific features,
- potentially third party frameworks like Spring
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| Vitor |
| Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2011 8:01 am Post subject: |
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| mqjeff wrote: |
| You want to take app server code, and wrap it in a JCN and run it inside Broker? |
Let's be entirely clear here - I want to do no such thing it's been suggested as a possible method.
| mqjeff wrote: |
| This really sounds like your opportunity to learn Java... |
It sounds more like an oppertunity to fight with the insurance people about if my next nervious breakdown counts as a "pre-existing condition" given my history.
Or an oppertunity for many of my co-workers to go down in a hail of trout.
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You'll find that the webMethods code almost certainly relies heavily on - obsolete versions of java libraries,
- J2EE specific features,
- webMethods specific features,
- potentially third party frameworks like Spring
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Now this is more like it. How would the Java-inept prove this? Other than beating the WebMethods people until they confess?
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| Michael Dag |
| Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2011 8:19 am Post subject: |
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I have not heard what it is functionaly doing,
so get that list first and
then see where you would position this functionally on any new platform,
then look at how to proceed...
just my 2 cents.
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| mqjeff |
| Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2011 8:22 am Post subject: |
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| Vitor wrote: |
| mqjeff wrote: |
| You want to take app server code, and wrap it in a JCN and run it inside Broker? |
Let's be entirely clear here - I want to do no such thing it's been suggested as a possible method. |
It's a possible method, in that it is also a possible method to stack two lorry containers on top of each other and drive down the highway. it's workable, but it does not resemble or smell like a good idea.
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| mqjeff wrote: |
| This really sounds like your opportunity to learn Java... |
It sounds more like an oppertunity to fight with the insurance people about if my next nervious breakdown counts as a "pre-existing condition" given my history.
Or an oppertunity for many of my co-workers to go down in a hail of trout. |
Oh, come now. Learning java isn't that bad... it's only wafer-thin....
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| mqjeff wrote: |
You'll find that the webMethods code almost certainly relies heavily on - obsolete versions of java libraries,
- J2EE specific features,
- webMethods specific features,
- potentially third party frameworks like Spring
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Now this is more like it. How would the Java-inept prove this? Other than beating the WebMethods people until they confess? |
Read the imports and look at the names of the jar files that are being used. And the version of the JVM that is being used by webmethods. I'm betting that the JVM is at most 1.4, and not 1.5 or 1.6. It could even be 1.3. |
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| Vitor |
| Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2011 8:38 am Post subject: |
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| Michael Dag wrote: |
I have not heard what it is functionaly doing,
so get that list first and
then see where you would position this functionally on any new platform,
then look at how to proceed...
just my 2 cents. |
It's all so sensible isn't it? So reasonable? Such a good way to go forward.
So much better than not knowing or caring what any of this stuff is doing but unilaterally deciding to move it, supplying neither time nor resources to analyise in any real sense where the correct fit is but to simply pick it up and dump it down on another platform.
On the plus side, I now see why I never made it in management.
Some things are Facts. This doesn't make them true, nor does it make them right, nor does it make them sensible. These Facts originate from height beyond my reach to push back. The migration strategy is a Fact.
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| exerk |
| Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2011 8:39 am Post subject: |
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| mqjeff wrote: |
| ...Oh, come now. Learning java isn't that bad... it's only wafer-thin.... |
Yes, but consider what that wafer thin mint did to Mr. Creosote 
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| Vitor |
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| mqjeff wrote: |
| Oh, come now. Learning java isn't that bad... it's only wafer-thin.... |
And potentially minty. I'll still pass.
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