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| javacons |
 Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2006 4:47 am Post subject: Message Oriented Integration between mainframe applications |
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Hello
As a javadeveloper that has recently moved to the mainframe world I am wondering about the capabilities of some of the mainframe integration products such as the Message Borker.
Is the message broker suited for messaging between mainframe applications runningon the same mainframe. I am in a new project now, with several mainframe appliaitons running on the same mainframe, and we are having problems with the dependecies and point-to-point connections between the application. Ideally I would like to introduce a messaing platform between the appllicaitons to get a infrastructure where I can place the necessary integration logic, such as routing, process management and transformation of data. I have been lokking for such a product, and after reading about the Message Broker product, it seems like it fits the criteria? Is this correct? Are there any other products out there that can do what I am describing?
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| mqmaniac |
| Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2006 5:18 am Post subject: |
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Yes...The Message Broker Fits in Well for Mainframe Applications.
Tibco,Webmethods are also for the Same purpose..But were used only for Medium Enterprises..BUT for Process Management you may have to try MQ Workflow or BPEL..along with Inegration Server..
Or You can go for Websphere Process Server as well |
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| zpat |
| Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2006 5:49 am Post subject: |
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Websphere MQ is the best messaging product for use on IBM mainframes.
Websphere Message Broker is the best message broker for close integration with WMQ (in my opinion).
Therefore Websphere MB is probably the best broker for mainframe applications.
You can even run the MB on the mainframe itself (although you don't have to) which is pretty much impossible with other brokers, to save moving messages off and back onto the mainframe. |
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| javacons |
| Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2006 10:55 pm Post subject: |
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| zpat wrote: |
You can even run the MB on the mainframe itself (although you don't have to) which is pretty much impossible with other brokers, to save moving messages off and back onto the mainframe. |
Running the MB on the mainframe is what I am thinking of. As almost all the clients applicaitons run on the mainframe we are looking for an integraition/message platform running on the mainframe that creates a loosely coupled architecture. As I understand it, the functionality of the message broker is richer than that of MQSeries, as MQseries is basic transportation, and the MB does routing, transformation and process management as well.
I have also seen that IBM are talking about the WebSphere ESB that are coming in the summer an that it can run on the mainframe. Does anybody know if this product can handle communication between mainframe application in a effective manner? |
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| jefflowrey |
| Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2006 2:01 am Post subject: |
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The WebSphere ESB product is designed to act as a mediation point between web services. It is not designed to act as a mediation point between any-to-any interactions.
So if you want to use anything other than XML data, then you probably don't want WebSphere ESB, and do want WebSphere Message Broker.
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| zpat |
| Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2006 2:04 am Post subject: |
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As far as I know, the term ESB simpy refers to the same set of products that exist today.
The message broker is not a workflow (or human process) control product, but it is very good at message transformation, enrichment, warehousing, routing etc.
We actually used ESQL to develop a complete and complex application (probably not what it was meant for but oh well....).
There is no better product, able to run under z/OS, that I can think of and keeping to one vendor makes life much simpler! |
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| jefflowrey |
| Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2006 2:34 am Post subject: |
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| javacons |
| Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2006 2:43 am Post subject: |
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I was thinking of these products:
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