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| BIZTalk compared with MQ/MQSI - any thoughts ?? |
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| maha20 |
 Posted: Fri Mar 25, 2005 3:51 pm Post subject: BIZTalk compared with MQ/MQSI - any thoughts ?? |
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Hi -
We had a demo abt BizTalk today by microsoft. After the demo I realized that BizTalk pretty much does what MQ and MQSI achieves. However, they have nice GUI and fancy functionalities which can be achieved by WMQI using custom nodes. My main concern was abt the stability of the product in the enterprise world. If any one you have implemented or thought abt rolling your applications to Biztalk please let me know your expeirences. I am interested in knowing the facts than the sale pitch. Tx,
Maha
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| Michael Dag |
| Posted: Sat Mar 26, 2005 3:11 am Post subject: |
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if you plan to have your broker on a Windows environment only, BizTalk could be an option. as the old saying goes there are horses for courses.
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| JLRowe |
| Posted: Sat Mar 26, 2005 3:38 am Post subject: |
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| BizTalk also has workflow capabilities, the 2004 version imports/exports BPEL (although it does not support it natively). So there is also a comparison with MQ Workflow/Websphere process choreographer. |
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| hopsala |
| Posted: Sat Mar 26, 2005 12:33 pm Post subject: |
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I have worked with WBI 2 years ago or so, but I think my info is still handy. My knowledge in Biztalk is lacking I fear, and is mostly second hand (articles, people who work with Biztalk, projects I consult to etc).
All that aside, from my own and others' research in comparison of these two products I was able to come up with the following main differences:
1> The learning curve of WBI is as slow as can be, it is a highly non-intuitive product which takes months to learn to handle properly. Biztalk, however, is, Microsoft being what it is, very easy to handle.
(I have been the instructor in MQ66 Official WBI IBM course 4 times, so I know how new comers take in this product)
2> However, Biztalk does not properly support conversions of formats such as C, COBOL, PLI or other more eerie data structures. while WBI does this part rather elegantly.
3> Biztalk handles XML manipulation of all kinds better than WBI, mainly in terms of ease of developement.
4> WBI Handles loads much better, and is truely "scalable". Biztalk, however, tends to slow down dramatically when dealing with large messages or high throughputs.
5> If I am not mistaken, WBI is far more expensive.
6> I have heard, that though Biztalk is easier to handle for the more basic options, it is fairly problematic to completely customize to ones needs. Whereas WBI is wide open to change, within and without. (can you code your own nodes in Biztalk as easily?)
7> Keep in mind that working with Biztalk does not entail working with MSMQ. The comm infrastructure is independant, and I know of at least 3 large scale projects that work with Biztalk over WMQ. (MSMQ I do know I little, and I recommend you stick to WMQ like your life depend upon it. Coz it does)
That's all I can think of for the time being,
Cheers!
P.S If you really want it, I can try to dig up a technical document my company wrote about this topic. It will take some time to find, though... |
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| JLRowe |
| Posted: Sat Mar 26, 2005 1:45 pm Post subject: |
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| WBI covers a multitude of products, are you referring to message broker or one of the other WBI products? |
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| hopsala |
| Posted: Sun Mar 27, 2005 4:41 am Post subject: |
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| Pardon. I am referring to the WBI message broker with all its associated components (configuration manager, dictionary database). |
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| maha20 |
| Posted: Mon Mar 28, 2005 11:21 am Post subject: |
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Thanks for your detailed reply hopsala. The insight you gave is what I expect from Microsoft products. I wish my mgmt will not fall into the sales ptich and buy BizTalk.
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| somsengupta |
| Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2006 2:52 am Post subject: comparison of biztalk and wbi message broker |
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Hi,
I have worked in WBI Message Broker for one year and am presently working in a BizTalk project for the past 2 months.
BizTalk in the proper sense is not an EAI Tool at all. Anybody who has worked on any EAI tool will back this theory. It is a DOTNET tool which may be customised to do integration. But the amount of customization that needs to be done is huge.
Here, the connectors, disassembling a different file format (like COBOL copybook file structure or flat file structure), etc also needs to be coded in C # or some DOTNET language.
These things are so properly taken care of by WBI Message broker that it seems like a waste of resources (time and effort) to work in BizTalk for integration.
Do let me know if you need any specific comparison on any component of BizTalk versus WBI Message Broker.
Thanks and regards,
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