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| csmith28 |
 Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2005 5:17 pm Post subject: This Camera is kinda fun.....(56k warning) |
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Location: Arizona
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Here is an image of my Conceal Carry Weapon stuff. I live in the State of Arizona and I have a CCW Permit.
Ok instead of posting the image again I thought I would post a link to another BBS that I frequently visit. I posted all my toys there.
http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=375006&page=1
I don't carry all of this all the time but I do carry a combination of the items in the image all the time. The only time I don't have one of those two handguns concealed on my person or within arms reach
is when I am walking to or from and/or in my office.
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| Michael Dag |
| Posted: Sat Jul 30, 2005 12:29 am Post subject: |
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| zpat |
| Posted: Sat Jul 30, 2005 12:38 am Post subject: |
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Is it really that dangerous in Arizona?
Around where I live, even the police don't routinely carry firearms (although you wouldn't think that just recently of course). |
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| sebastianhirt |
| Posted: Sat Jul 30, 2005 5:46 am Post subject: |
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Yatiri
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Didn't you plan to buy on of those machine guns?
Don't get me wrong, but I'll never understand why Americans (US and Canada) are so crazy about weapons. For me a weapon is something the police, the army or a hunter should have.
Even though Bowling for Columbine, gave me some interesting aspects. |
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| zpat |
| Posted: Sat Jul 30, 2005 6:04 am Post subject: |
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| Target shooting is an olympic sport, nothing wrong with that. But carrying concealed weapons on a daily basis suggests something has gone very wrong with the "American Dream"....! |
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| fjb_saper |
| Posted: Sat Jul 30, 2005 10:58 am Post subject: |
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From the assortment of weapons I'd think that our friend has 2 jobs
One of them has to do with law enforcement:
Police officer
Sheriff
Prison guard
Probation officer
Bounty Hunter (Hunting down people skipping bail...)
I wonder which one he considers his primary job ?
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| csmith28 |
| Posted: Sat Jul 30, 2005 3:28 pm Post subject: |
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| zpat wrote: |
Target shooting is an olympic sport, nothing wrong with that. But carrying concealed
weapons on a daily basis suggests something has gone very wrong with the "American Dream"....! |
No, nothing wrong at all. In fact armed citizens prevent and reduce crime.
All you have to do is watch your local news and you will find there are a
great many reasons for a person to want to carry a concealed weapon for
personal protection and protection of their loved ones. That includes
Great Britain and India.
Owning firearms in not a matter of need in the US, it's a right. I may
never need to use a firearm to defend myself. Having said as much I
would rather have it and not need it than need it and not have it.
@fj_saper, you are correct, I do have a second job working PT (usually
just one day/week) at a Gun Store. That is usually the only time I
actually carry the cuffs.
The baton is usually stored in my truck. The 1911 is my primary carry
gun and the revolver is my light carry gun for when I'm just running up
to the store or going out for a bite to eat.=]
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| zpat |
| Posted: Sat Jul 30, 2005 10:57 pm Post subject: |
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It's peaceful enough around this part of England. As I said, even the police here are not armed. So I don't think you can make claims about the local news, unless 12 hour lawnmower races are threatening!
I like guns, if I lived in the US I would own at least one (not allowed here), but I wouldn't want to feel that it was necessary or desirable to carry one. |
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| hopsala |
| Posted: Sun Jul 31, 2005 4:25 am Post subject: |
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i'm not sure it was such a good idea posting here when you're NOT carrying your hand guns, seeing that there are many begrudged MQ programmers out there who now know when you're unawares  |
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| zpat |
| Posted: Sun Jul 31, 2005 6:43 am Post subject: |
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I think we live in different worlds (maybe you are in the Wild West?).
I have never actually encountered a criminal in my life. Yet I lived half of it in London before moving to a market town nearby.
There is an almost zero-risk of being assaulted or robbed in the street here. Property crime is considered by many to be high in the UK (since criminals aren't going to be shot by householders) and yet the local statistics here tell me that I can expect to be burgled on average once every 333 years (and almost certainly when I was out!).
The only real problem might be if one were to hang around some of the less classy pubs at closing time and look for trouble, which I don't.
If you are afraid of being attacked - why not carry non-lethal defences like pepper spray (also banned here!)? |
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| csmith28 |
| Posted: Sun Jul 31, 2005 7:54 am Post subject: |
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Grand Master
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Location: Arizona
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| zpat wrote: |
It's peaceful enough around this part of England. As I said, even the police here are not armed. So I don't think you can make claims about the local news, unless 12 hour lawnmower races are threatening!
I like guns, if I lived in the US I would own at least one (not allowed here), but I wouldn't want to feel that it was necessary or desirable to carry one. |
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My apologies for accidently editing you post above, I believe I
have fixed it back to what it was. I must have accidently hit the edit
button when I intended to hit the quote button. |
Well zpat, I guess we will just have to agree to disagree on this point. I
don't actually feel that it is necessary to carry a concealed handgun for
personal defence but I do feel it is desirable. You have no way of knowing
when your life will go from normal condition to a code red fight of flight,
life or death situation. I realize that over time the British people among
others have become reliant on the illusion of safety and security that the
Police and Government provide. Indeed even here in the US the LEO's
and government are trying to do the same thing but in a recent court
decision the reality of this was exposed somewhat when it was decided
that a Police Department could not be held liable for personal injury or loss
after the commision of a crime.
Now to many hearing this they may be saying to themselves, "Well, why
would they be?". Well in a country or smaller municipality in which the
government has stripped the people of the right to own firearms in the
interest of personal defence the individual is still left with the problem of
defending or protecting ones self and family by relying very heavily on
Law Enforcement to do that job, in other words take on that
responsalbility almost entirely. That being the case one would expect that
they would also have to share in the fault when they fail.
If you are a person of mean, you can put bars on your windows, install
triple dead bolts and locks on your windwo, intall a fancy alarm system or
buy a big dog but when the rubber hits the road none of that will do you
any good if you are not at home and if three thugs armed with kitchen
knives. largish screwdrivers or steel pipes when you are walking from
car to the front door of your office building, I'm sure your family will be
comforted that it was caught on camera and said thugs may be
apprehended before your funeral.
If you are attacked at your home well the alarms and locks may slow
the criminals down a bit while you or your wife are on the phone begging
them to hurry up but once again, if it take the police 20 to 30 minutes to
resond, and all you have to actually defend yourself is foul language you
have a big problem. Lots of contact admin things can happen in 20 minutes.
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| csmith28 |
| Posted: Sun Jul 31, 2005 8:10 am Post subject: |
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| zpat wrote: |
I think we live in different worlds (maybe you are in the Wild West?).
I have never actually encountered a criminal in my life. Yet I lived half of it in London before moving to a market town nearby.
There is an almost zero-risk of being assaulted or robbed in the street here. Property crime is considered by many to be high in the UK (since criminals aren't going to be shot by householders) and yet the local statistics here tell me that I can expect to be burgled on average once every 333 years (and almost certainly when I was out!).
The only real problem might be if one were to hang around some of the less classy pubs at closing time and look for trouble, which I don't.
If you are afraid of being attacked - why not carry non-lethal defences like pepper spray (also banned here!)? |
Well then you have been lucky indeed and let me tell you something about
statistics. Reality ignores statistics.
Why not carry a less than or non-lethal defensive item, well lets see, if I
am leaving a theater with my wife and we are accousted by a gang of
thugs say, three or more, I doubt a can of pepper spray or a stun gun
will suffice but, if said thugs are suddenly confronted with one or indeed in
this particular instance two people who are prepared to defend
themselves their own instincts of self preservation will be enough to deter
them. 
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| sebastianhirt |
| Posted: Sun Jul 31, 2005 10:22 pm Post subject: |
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| csmith28 wrote: |
Well then you have been lucky indeed and let me tell you something about
statistics. Reality ignores statistics.
Why not carry a less than or non-lethal defensive item, well lets see, if I
am leaving a theater with my wife and we are accousted by a gang of
thugs say, three or more, I doubt a can of pepper spray or a stun gun
will suffice but, if said thugs are suddenly confronted with one or indeed in
this particular instance two people who are prepared to defend
themselves their own instincts of self preservation will be enough to deter
them. |
Why are you americans so afraid of the 'black man' (You really are. there are 2 times more black people in Jail in the US then white. The afferage suspect to any crime is a black male around 6 to 7 foot tal in his mid 30s)?
Don't you think that the fact that everybody can carry a bazooka with him or her, does make your lives even more dangerous? I mean if you for example tell one of your developers, the queue manager is up and running and that he shall rather check his code, and he doesn't like the fact that he might be wrong, he could shoot you. If that happened to me he could only throw a half full bottle of water after me.
Some more statistics. In germany there are about 70 or something deadly gun crimes a year. The US is around 11000. OK you are 4 times as much as we are, but 11000 is about 160 times more. |
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| csmith28 |
| Posted: Sun Jul 31, 2005 11:44 pm Post subject: |
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| sebastianhirt wrote: |
| csmith28 wrote: |
Well then you have been lucky indeed and let me tell you something about
statistics. Reality ignores statistics.
Why not carry a less than or non-lethal defensive item, well lets see, if I
am leaving a theater with my wife and we are accousted by a gang of
thugs say, three or more, I doubt a can of pepper spray or a stun gun
will suffice but, if said thugs are suddenly confronted with one or indeed in
this particular instance two people who are prepared to defend
themselves their own instincts of self preservation will be enough to deter
them. |
Why are you americans so afraid of the 'black man' (You really are. there are 2 times more black people in Jail in the US then white. The afferage suspect to any crime is a black male around 6 to 7 foot tal in his mid 30s)?
Don't you think that the fact that everybody can carry a bazooka with him or her, does make your lives even more dangerous? I mean if you for example tell one of your developers, the queue manager is up and running and that he shall rather check his code, and he doesn't like the fact that he might be wrong, he could shoot you. If that happened to me he could only throw a half full bottle of water after me.
Some more statistics. In germany there are about 70 or something deadly gun crimes a year. The US is around 11000. OK you are 4 times as much as we are, but 11000 is about 160 times more. |
Sebastian how about you ask the black people. They are not arrested or incarcerated for no reason. It's not as if the US Police go and have scheduled "Arrest Black People Nights" As it turns out, in spite of the progress that has been made here black people tend to be more likely to violate the law. Ergo they tend to be in jail more often than people that don't violate the law. No one is with malice of forethought driving black people into a life of crime.
Have you actually listened the the lyrics of a rap song lately?
Of all the countries in the world black people have more opportunity to succeed here. Legislation has been passed here that allows minorities(black people and others of color) who are less qualified to get certain jobs that people that are classified as not minorities are more qualified to perform. How nice I'm a white guy with 12 years of experience but the black guy fresh out of trade school gets the job because the company has to meet the manditory diversity regulations. Nevermind who's fit to do the job.
Bazookas are not legally posessed her in the US inspite of what you may have heard. Sweden perhaps but not here in the good ole USA.
The ratio between the population of Germany is much wider than 4 times. There are roughly 200 million people living in the US give or take a few million illegal immigrants. Right off the top of my head I don't know the population of Germany but I doubt it even begins to approach 20 million.
Do your own math before you start spouting of statistics. How about other deadly crimes? How many people in Germany die from blunt trauma or stabbings?
Before you pass judgment on us ugly Americans get your facts in order.
I could shoot a contact admin developer for making the accusation that my MQManager is down but I don't. That is the difference between a level headed law abiding citizen and a complete whacked out loon.
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