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| klamerus |
 Posted: Sun May 22, 2005 5:59 pm Post subject: Visual Desktop Tool - Take 2 |
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Disciple
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Location: Detroit, MI
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Okay,
We need something very specific. We're looking for a tool that our support team can use to manage our MQ cluster.
We need to be able to use this from a Windows XP desktop. The company does not support the use of Java, so we can't use MQ Visual Edit.
We need to be able to go to any of our 3 servers (in a cluster) look at the queues in each of their queue managers. We need to be able to search for messages with a specified search string in them. We need to be able to drag-drop messages from one queue to another, delete them, copy them, etc.
In otherwords, a pretty capable desktop visual tool. Again, it can't use a JVM, it's got to be native. |
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| fjb_saper |
| Posted: Sun May 22, 2005 7:38 pm Post subject: |
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Grand High Poobah
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Have you tried MO71 and MO72 support packs ??
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| klamerus |
| Posted: Mon May 23, 2005 3:11 pm Post subject: |
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Disciple
Joined: 05 Jul 2004
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Location: Detroit, MI
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We have.
72 says it's command line, and 71 is still rather difficult to use.
The contact admin tool is nice. It seems to have an architecture similar to 71, but much smoother. About the only thing it doesn't have is the ability to search for messages in queues by contents.
Maybe I'm misunderstanding it though. I'm trying to get in touch with them. It also requires a server install. It's really more of a server-side monitor that happens to have a desktop that talks to that server-side.
We only really need for our people to have the desktop end of it - but our support people are not all that MQ savvy. We're not talking admin people here, we're talking about support. |
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| RogerLacroix |
| Posted: Mon May 23, 2005 9:36 pm Post subject: |
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Jedi Knight
Joined: 15 May 2001
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Location: London, ON Canada
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Hi klamerus,
Might I suggested using MQ Visual Edit with JVM. There is no Java / JVM to support because it is embedded with the program. The actual program is an exe with the embedded JVM.
There are no external dependencies. You just run the installer and you are done.
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Capitalware Inc.
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| klamerus |
| Posted: Tue May 24, 2005 2:46 am Post subject: |
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Disciple
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Well, I've downloaded and played with that tool a couple of times, but it has a couple of issues.
First, although we don't need to download/install the jvm, it is still java based and therefore last on the list in terms of technologies. I don't personally have much against Java, but that's the company preference.
Second, it is pretty rough around the edges. For instance, I found the search capability very difficult to use. The "chunking" of messages into blocks was a bit to deal with, etc.
The last thing that stood in my way was that while I could use it with a remote queue mgr, I was never able to get it to connect to a local queue mgr on my machine, for any in depth testing. It would always come back saying queue mgr not available. |
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| RogerLacroix |
| Posted: Tue May 24, 2005 6:48 am Post subject: |
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Jedi Knight
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Hi,
Yes, I have been meaning to fix the spanning problem when using the search function.
There is no reason why you cannot use MQ Visual Edit against a local queue manager. What error are you getting? (MQ reason code) What parameters / information did you put in the 'Queue Manager Access Profile'?
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| klamerus |
| Posted: Tue May 24, 2005 10:19 am Post subject: |
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Disciple
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Well, to make this a bit easier, since your product is so inexpensive, I did just order a copy today. Perhaps this is an issue between demo-ware and actual product.
The error message I'm getting are 2 dialogs:
The first says:
"Error: Cannot connect to queue manager"
The second says:
"Completion Code = 2
Reason Code = 2059
MQRC_Q_MGR_NOT_AVAILABLE"
The queue manager is QM1, which is what I can see in IBM MQ Explorer.
The Queue Manager Type is Distributed (other choice is mainframe)
The UserID is blank (but I've tried my logon as well)
I'm leaving the remote parameters with the defaults, which are:
Channel Name = SYSTEM.DEF.SVRCONN
IP/Hostname = 127.0.0.1
Port = 1414
And I'm leaving the security exit blank. |
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| jefflowrey |
| Posted: Tue May 24, 2005 10:24 am Post subject: |
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I'm going to guess that Roger will want you to blank the Channel, IP, and Port parameters.
Also, you will be disappointed to learn that contact admin is written in Java as well.
QPasa, last I knew, was in a mix of C and Perl - but I'm probably wrong.
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| klamerus |
| Posted: Tue May 24, 2005 10:35 am Post subject: |
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Disciple
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I wouldn't be too surprised to learn that it's written in java except for the richness of it in a Windows environment. It's very funcitonal (which most Java on Windows is not).
As I said (I think) the language is not as significant as the capabilities and the cost. |
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| RogerLacroix |
| Posted: Tue May 24, 2005 3:35 pm Post subject: |
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Jedi Knight
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Hi klamerus,
If you specified client information (IP address, port & channel) for a local queue manager and it is correct then mostly you forgot to start the listener or you have not defined a listener.
The easiest way to connect to a local queue manager is to connect in binding mode. On the Queue Manager Access Profile window, only specify the following:
- Queue Manager Name
- Queue Manager Type: (set it to Distributed)
That's it. Clear out all other fields then click the Test button. It should say 'Successfully connected to queue manager'. Then click the Save button. Now you are ready to go.
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Roger Lacroix
Capitalware Inc.
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| klamerus |
| Posted: Tue May 24, 2005 7:10 pm Post subject: |
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Disciple
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Well, I'll check. I can connect with program I've toyed with (adding/removing messages).
Separately, I order the tool on line somewhere around 8:00 this morning, and I still haven't gotten instructions for a download or any sort of key that I might need to use it. I've only gotten the information from the $ handler that my order is in. |
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| RogerLacroix |
| Posted: Tue May 24, 2005 7:34 pm Post subject: |
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Jedi Knight
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Hi klamerus,
Yes, I saw your order this morning and sent you an email at 10:38 AM EST. Did you get it? It was sent to klamerus@pobox.com . If you didn't get it then please check your Junk or Spam folder.
Some companies treat email from ".biz" as junk mail. Please reply to the email. RegSoft.com is holding your order and is waiting for you to reply to me.
Regards,
Roger Lacroix
Capitalware Inc.
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