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| Vitor |
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| mqjeff wrote: |
| Despite every single zOS admin I've ever known being continually enthralled with using ISPF on a green screen. |
ISPF is cool.
(3 words @exerk, as requested)
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| mqjeff |
| Posted: Tue Aug 20, 2013 6:48 am Post subject: |
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| Vitor wrote: |
| ISPF is cool. |
I reject your reality and substitute it with my own. |
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| PaulClarke |
| Posted: Tue Aug 20, 2013 6:50 am Post subject: |
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I am beginning to wish I hadn't mentioned anything. When I mentioned it I expected everyone else to say that they also found the small box annoying. I never felt I would have to justify why I found it so. I guess it always seems to me that making the box bigger (ie. the remaining width) would be such a simple change but perhaps it really is complicated. To be honest this bulletin board is nowhere near the worst offender. Many times I have been asked by a web page to enter a description of 'my problem','my requirements','my holiday review' etc etc and given a box where no more than 10 words are visible.
However, the definition of 'progress' is surely fairly clear. Progress suggests you are moving forward towards a goal - in the case of software goals would things like making it easier, prettier, faster etc. Just changing it does not in itself count as 'progress'.
Anyway, no doubt I will continue to use a decent word processor and copy/paste for large posts and therefore no doubt I will forget to add the BBCodes.
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| mqjeff |
| Posted: Tue Aug 20, 2013 6:52 am Post subject: |
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The small box is annoying.
It's less annoying than other things.
I've no idea how complicated or not it is to change. |
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| JosephGramig |
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Ha ha! Well, I found it useful and thought others would too. I'm sure you can find that link somewhere here (probably in front of my face).
The "Preview" button is the key to seeing if the little box will spit out something you meant to say or mangle it. |
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| Vitor |
| Posted: Tue Aug 20, 2013 7:04 am Post subject: |
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| Vitor wrote: |
| ISPF is cool. |
I reject your reality and substitute it with my own. |
You are The Master.
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| rekarm01 |
| Posted: Wed Aug 21, 2013 1:27 am Post subject: |
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| PaulClarke wrote: |
| I expected everyone else to say that they also found the small box annoying. |
The small box is annoying, but it's also resizable. Just click on the lower right corner and drag.
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| Anyway, no doubt I will continue to use a decent word processor and copy/paste for large posts and therefore no doubt I will forget to add the BBCodes. |
Fortunately, the post was interesting enough, even without the BBCodes. Thanks for that. |
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| PaulClarke |
| Posted: Wed Aug 21, 2013 2:22 am Post subject: |
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Ha! Just what I needed. In all the time I've been posting it never occurred to me that the little box was resizeable.
Thanks!
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| jeevan |
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| PaulClarke wrote: |
Ha! Just what I needed. In all the time I've been posting it never occurred to me that the little box was resizeable.
Thanks! |
Sorry for breaking the momentum.
This question is specially for paul or whoever has been there when MQ was originated 1992/3.
Was there some king of external force/pressure like companies were going into automation in a big way and making app communicate each other was a big deal? Or whatexactly was the driver for messaging systems to be originated? Or was just another product from a software company ?
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| smdavies99 |
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There were General Purpose Message Queueing Systems BEFORE MQ. Years before actually.
I wrote one in 1981/92 when I was at DEC in Reading. It was totally embedded inside a much larger product. Like MQ it ran on more than one platform. In this case, VAX & PDP-11. It did store and forward messaging. In one installation, the systems were more than a thousand miles apart in Brazil.
My only regret is that we didn't patent it but the world was a much less ligitious place in them days.
Oh, and we even had a part number for the Source Kit.
Them were the days....
There were many custom store and forward messaging systems prior to that. They didn't do general purpose messaging the way a product like MQ.
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| gbaddeley |
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I was in a small team that designed, developed and supported TEXAS (Transaction Exchange Architecture and Services) for a large telecommunications company that had point to point messaging, store and forward, code page conversion, scalability, GUI administration and other neat features, before MQ or any similar enterprise-strength products were on the market. The term "middleware" didn't even exist, the paradigm of the day was "Client / Server" and "Distributed" computing. The team was called "Application Systems Interworking". What a mouthful.
The common code base was PL/I for IBM MVS and Honeywell Bull mainframes. We wrote a PL/I to C translator to generate code for HP-UX, Solaris and Windows. The first comms was HyperChannel, a very high speed proprietary network with expensive dedicated hardware. Later we added TCP/IP socket comms when Ethernet became more widely used. The solution was displaced by MQ in the mid nineties mainly because we didn't have fund ongong support for the TEXAS code. We had MQ v1.1.3 in production on MVS. A bridge to/from MQ was written but it was never widely used. The MQ programming model was so easy that apps just rewrote their integration code layer. The TEXAS API was the same on all platforms, with TXSEND TXRECV akin to MQGET MQPUT.
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| fatherjack |
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| smdavies99 wrote: |
| I wrote one in 1981/92 when I was at DEC in Reading. It was totally embedded inside a much larger product. |
Didn't DEC market one called DEC-MessageQ or something like that?
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That was much later.
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| That was much later. |
But included your unpatented code no doubt!
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But included your unpatented code no doubt! |
Nope. not a line.
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