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| Michael Dag |
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| ucbus1 |
| Posted: Thu Mar 11, 2004 6:45 am Post subject: |
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My contribution:
I am thinking of this solution. May involve some programming effort.
1. User starts a new thread "say what is FMCXXXXE error".
2. Site would store the posting ans searches for the possible old postings.
3. Informs the user with old postings containing the word FMCXXXXE error
4. Asks the user if the answer could be found in any of the listed items.
5. If the user could not find, then only posts the posting of the user
Too complicated???... never mind |
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| happy_red |
| Posted: Thu Mar 11, 2004 7:37 am Post subject: |
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It must be great to have all the answers but next time any of you experts ask a question of a friend/colleague/passer-by you must consider the following:
1. How many points will they get.
2. How much will they ask for in payment.
3. Will they tell you to RTFM or UTFSB.
Everybody has to start somewhere. It's OK to say you got advice from experienced colleagues when you have such people around you, but for some of us, we find our employers moving to a new development area and being designated as the one to find the answers. And...no training budget. That person will ask stupid questions of the MQ Forum mainly because IBM have produced some of the worst manuals in living memory and an even worse web site. All the information is there, but you'll need some pointers to help you find them.
As forum members we all have the choice to ignore questions or answer them as we see fit. If you want to be paid or earn 'points' go work for a consultancy.
And finally, before I'm kicked off the forum, I'd like to thank all those who answered my questions and apologise to those I never replied to because I didn't feel confident/knowledgable enough to answer their questions as I'm a novice. 
P.S. What is this MQ thing anyway? |
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| Michael Dag |
| Posted: Thu Mar 11, 2004 7:50 am Post subject: |
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| And finally, before I'm kicked off the forum, |
Why do you think that?
So tell us how did we answer your questions when this is your first post? 
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| happy_red |
| Posted: Thu Mar 11, 2004 8:08 am Post subject: |
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| Why do you think that? |
Tongue in cheek. Other than the small amount of whining that led to my original post, I have found the senior members of this forum to be extremely helpful and amenable.
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| So tell us how did we answer your questions when this is your first post? |
The main point was that as a newbie I get a lot more information from the forum than I am likely to put back in - not because of some selfish or lazy reason but due to my current lack of knowledge. I have found that the more I have learned about MQ, the easier I've found the documentation to read. Unfortunately, a consequence of this for other people in the same position is that, initially, they would tend to ask some really dumb questions. Luckily, for me, lots of other people had already asked the dumb questions I wanted to ask, allowing me to search and gain the answers I needed to get me started without annoying some of the more senior forum members. I have had many dumb , and not so dumb, questions answered by others even though it was not me who posted the original question (how would points be calculated for that?). |
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| PeterPotkay |
| Posted: Thu Mar 11, 2004 8:15 am Post subject: |
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Hey happy_red, what is 1+1?
Hey happy_red, what is 1+2?
Hey happy_red, what is 1+3?
Hey happy_red, what is 4+1?
Hey happy_red, what is 5+1?
Hey happy_red, what is 7+1?
Hey happy_red, what is 2+1?
Hey happy_red, what is 1+1?
How long before you tell me to UTFCalculator? Or RTFMathbook?
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Everybody has to start somewhere. It's OK to say you got advice from experienced colleagues when you have such people around you, but for some of us, we find our employers moving to a new development area and being designated as the one to find the answers. And...no training budget.
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We have no problem answering questions for people in these situations. I do have a problem with the 10K a year "MQAdmin" that has been asking questions for weeks, and shows no sign of trying.
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If you want to be paid or earn 'points' go work for a consultancy.
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WHOA!  If you want quality advice, go PAY a consultancy! We could give 2 craps about some lousy points or 5 bucks to answer a question. The point of this was to identify freeloaders, not make money or pump up our ego with points.
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And finally, before I'm kicked off the forum, I'd like to thank all those who answered my questions and apologise to those I never replied to because I didn't feel confident/knowledgable enough to answer their questions as I'm a novice.
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I don't know how you would get kicked off, since you choose to hide behing a phony name. But you know what, I don't think you are one of the problem posters anyway. You comments are clear and concise. You make somewhat valid points. I doubt you are a freeloader. Why not post your real name?
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That person will ask stupid questions of the MQ Forum mainly because IBM have produced some of the worst manuals in living memory and an even worse web site. All the information is there, but you'll need some pointers to help you find them.
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The manuals are very good, the website sucks big time.
Here is a tip. Download all of the manuals from here:
http://www-306.ibm.com/software/integration/mqfamily/library/manualsa/
into a single folder on your PC.
Then get Adobe Acrobat Reader 6.0, which allows you to search all the PDF files in one shot. Type in your term, and you will get excellent results every time.
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| Michael Dag |
| Posted: Thu Mar 11, 2004 8:33 am Post subject: |
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don't forget about the online WebSphere MQ information center which comes with the Windows version, has a great search button too
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| oz1ccg |
| Posted: Thu Mar 11, 2004 9:10 am Post subject: |
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Another good source of information on IBM stuff is the redbooks....
This have more focus on how to use WebSphere MQ, and implement solutions.
Here is a link:
http://publib-b.boulder.ibm.com/cgi-bin/searchsite.cgi?query=mq
I've many time been thinking of writeing a book "WebSphere MQ for Dummies". But this title might harm people outside Denmark. So another title might be "WebSphere MQ in 60 minutes", a small pocket book on 80 pages.....
Anyway it's more fun here, fill in some answers here, I like it. Sometime more activity, and other times no interesting topics.... or just not in the mood...
It's free for all of us to answer on the questions, and the newbie of today might be the answering person tomorrow, who knows ?
Just my $0.02 
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| happy_red |
| Posted: Thu Mar 11, 2004 9:13 am Post subject: |
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| How long before you tell me to UTFCalculator? Or RTFMathbook? |
I won't, I'll just ignore the question as is my right - and yours.
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| We have no problem answering questions for people in these situations. I do have a problem with the 10K a year "MQAdmin" that has been asking questions for weeks, and shows no sign of trying. |
I can see this could be annoying but you can stop answering their questions. They'll get the hint fairly quickly. This is the nature of forums - a few answering the questions of the many. A certain percentage of the many will undoubtedly join the few as their knowledge increases, but we also have to accept there will be a high number of takers who never/rarely contribute. Sometimes because their job description has changed, sometimes because they can't be a**ed - c'est la vie!
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| If you want quality advice, go PAY a consultancy! |
If I want quality advice, I'll just ask. It's up to you as to whether you give it or not. The levels of advice given on this forum are of the highest quality IMO, but you must remember that when a reply is given, not only is the (possible) freeloader getting the reply, but also all the other people with a genuine need for the answer who look through the forum in the future. They, as well as the freeloader, appreciate the answer equally. The person responding can be satisfied that he/she is answering a queston for the forum as a whole as well as the individual.
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| I don't know how you would get kicked off, since you choose to hide behing a phony name |
My apologies for the phony name - it's the same one I use for all forums, including the Sport online forum where, as a disgruntled Liverpool FC fan, I first joined and created the name. In order to facilitate my limited memory, I tend to use the same user name for almost all logins. Real name's Nik Colman.
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| The manuals are very good, the website sucks big time. |
I found the manuals to be absolutely awful as a complete novice. As I have gained more knowledge, they have become more and more useful. I constantly find myself looking at a reference in a manual and saying to myself, "How did I miss that?". Suggests that IBM need a more basic and better laid out document for the absolute novice before they move on to the more detailed books. Either that or I've forgotten how to read properly! IBM also refer to manuals with titles that have been replaced with new (renamed) versions. I've already downloaded them all and find the sheer number of them, as well as the 'distributed information model' to be very hard work. After banging your head against a wall for a while, the concussion, if nothing else, will lead to a stupid question or two being posted. Also, in my case, I have had to learn to install, run and manage MQ on Windows, Solaris and HP NonStop(Compaq NSK/Tandem) as well as my primary role in developing MQ Management/Monitoring software in C++. No one in the company had any knowledge and, after a few redundancies just before Xmas, no money for training was available. With a 60 day timescale, I found myself bogged down in manuals and in need of some human help. This forum has been of immense help in answering some of the stupid (I can say that with hindsight) questions I had - even though I relied on the people who had asked them in the past rather than have to post them in myself.
When I read this thread originally, many points seemed to be aimed at people just like me (except for the whole Bangalor thing). I appreciate the time that many people have put in to this forum and understand that there can be frustration at some stupid questions coming from certain quarters. I just feel that blame should not be heaped on anyone. After all it is not Rajesh from Delhi's fault that XYZCorp have chosen to outsource their Development/Administration. At the end of the day, Rajesh needs the same information that any newbie needs and, you never know, he may be the guy answering your question on the 'How do I increase the hard disk size on my Tivo' forum.
Best get back to work before my job ends up in Calcutta - this post is going to end up in pdf format if I'm not careful  |
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| happy_red |
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| oz1ccg wrote: |
Another good source of information on IBM stuff is the redbooks....
This have more focus on how to use WebSphere MQ, and implement solutions.
Here is a link:
http://publib-b.boulder.ibm.com/cgi-bin/searchsite.cgi?query=mq
I've many time been thinking of writeing a book "WebSphere MQ for Dummies". But this title might harm people outside Denmark. So another title might be "WebSphere MQ in 60 minutes", a small pocket book on 80 pages.....
Anyway it's more fun here, fill in some answers here, I like it. Sometime more activity, and other times no interesting topics.... or just not in the mood...
It's free for all of us to answer on the questions, and the newbie of today might be the answering person tomorrow, who knows ?
Just my $0.02 |
I found the Redbooks to be very good, although some are out of date and IBM _NEVER_ take the out of date books off the website. They can also be a bit incomplete, ignoring fundamental issues related to the topic. I don't know how many times I've gone through a Redbook only to find one of the many other pdf's telling me I can't implement that feature on one of my dependant platforms. I find that I don't trust any Redbooks older than a few months. I may revisit them now I am a bit more comfortable with the MQ world.
The 'WebSphere for Dummies' thing is a fantastic idea. Don't worry about the 'outside Denmark' thing - after a few hours reading IBM's documentation I felt like a complete and utter dummy - still do. 80 pages may be a bit optimistic, though...!
Thanks for the reply. |
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| happy_red |
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| MichaelDag wrote: |
| don't forget about the online WebSphere MQ information center which comes with the Windows version, has a great search button too |
Thanks for the reply.
I have found the Explorer help and Information Center stuff to be very good but sometimes has missing information. At one stage I needed a brief description of all the Queue attributes and found about three quarters of them. Several pdf's later I eventually found them. |
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| Michael Dag |
| Posted: Thu Mar 11, 2004 9:31 am Post subject: |
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very constructive!!!
We all wreck our brains sometimes and fortunatly there is always a helping hand here...
sorry 'bout Liverpool... I heard whispers Hasselbaink want's to leave... will you pass that info on? (nothing wrong with dutch strikers...)
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| happy_red |
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| MichaelDag wrote: |
very constructive!!!
We all wreck our brains sometimes and fortunatly there is always a helping hand here...
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Absolutely, it's been a life saver on occasion.
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sorry 'bout Liverpool... I heard whispers Hasselbaink want's to leave... will you pass that info on? (nothing wrong with dutch strikers...)
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Hasselbaink ALWAYS wants to leave, but I have heard that he's a bit more upset than usual. Sad for Chelsea, he is an excellent striker, as is van Nistelrooy. If you want to have a word with Koeman, tell him to get over to Liverpool - I'd love to see his style of football at Anfield. And tell him to bring Litmanen and van der Vaart with him. |
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| Michael Dag |
| Posted: Thu Mar 11, 2004 9:46 am Post subject: |
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Well thanks for letting us keep Sneijder ... (I hope you don't have a scottisch background )
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| happy_red |
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| Well thanks for letting us keep Sneijder ... (I hope you don't have a scottisch background ) |
English.
Send Sneijder over as well - especially if he can decode PCF command structures!!! |
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