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alexl
PostPosted: Wed Jan 27, 2010 6:54 am    Post subject: WMB/WMQ and Multi Instance storage NFS/GPFS constraint Reply with quote

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Hi,
I'm working on creation of HA environment built on WMB 7. (Two servers/Nodes in the beginning)
My question is about the shared storage constraint it can be NFS v4 or GPFS only.
Does anyone designed/created HA (Active/Active) environment based on internal mi option with active/standby? (I want to achieve the Active/Active by cross definition of the MQ/WMB instances).

Which shared storage option you suggest? If NFS which HA solution better to define. I want Active/Active solution for NFS too.

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 27, 2010 7:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Not directly answering your question (as I've no direct experience to offer) but I do know there have been a number of recent discussions on NFS / multi-instance that you might find useful & I recommend them to you.

Someone with more relevent comments will probably be along in a minute.
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My question is about the shared storage constraint it can be NFS v4 or GPFS only.

If I remember correctly, only NFSv4 was mentioned in the multi-instance queue managers presentations. Both enable some degree of shared disk storage.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 27, 2010 7:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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My understanding is that the requirement for multi-instance is "reliable file locking".

NFS only provides this under version 4 or later, so you need NFSV4.

But you don't need NFS per se. Just some file sharing technology that passes the tests that amqmfsck runs - http://publib.boulder.ibm.com/infocenter/wmqv7/v7r0/topic/com.ibm.mq.amqzag.doc/fa15575_.htm

At least, that's my understanding. mvic may disagree.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 27, 2010 8:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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mqjeff is correct
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mvic
PostPosted: Wed Jan 27, 2010 11:00 am    Post subject: Re: WMB/WMQ and Multi Instance storage NFS/GPFS constraint Reply with quote

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alexl wrote:
Which shared storage option you suggest? If NFS which HA solution better to define. I want Active/Active solution for NFS too.

Please say precisely what you mean by active/active in this scenario.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 27, 2010 11:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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alexl
PostPosted: Wed Jan 27, 2010 3:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Please say precisely what you mean by active/active in this scenario.


mvic I want the NFS servers to be clustered and HA, don't want to have single point of failure.

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But you don't need NFS per se. Just some file sharing technology that passes the tests that amqmfsck runs - http://publib.boulder.ibm.com/infocenter/wmqv7/v7r0/topic/com.ibm.mq.amqzag.doc/fa15575_.htm


mqjeff what about the remark from the info center

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The amqmfsck command applies only to UNIX and IBM® i systems.


I will try to check this. Because really I find it annoying to put more parts in the architecture like the NFS, why can it use XIV/EMC shard storage solution. I will try to run the amqmfsck from RHAT 5.3 with XIV shared disk. will update.

Thank You.
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mqjeff
PostPosted: Thu Jan 28, 2010 4:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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alexl wrote:
mqjeff what about the remark from the info center

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The amqmfsck command applies only to UNIX and IBM® i systems.


I will try to check this. Because really I find it annoying to put more parts in the architecture like the NFS, why can it use XIV/EMC shard storage solution. I will try to run the amqmfsck from RHAT 5.3 with XIV shared disk. will update.


RHAT 5.3 is a UNIX system.

The remark was very very clear, I thought. There's another statement that says you specifically don't need it on Windows, so this means that any network shared storage on Windows should be supported.

And of course, you'd never bother doing this on plain Z, you'd just use zed-normal HA mechanisms. You know, because they're better. And zed-Linux is still a Unix system.
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alexl
PostPosted: Thu Jan 28, 2010 6:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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thanks.
my mistake.
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zpat
PostPosted: Thu Jan 28, 2010 6:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I've always regarded a single mainframe to be as good (or better) than a HA/CMP AIX cluster anyway in reliability terms.

If you're super paranoid then parallel sysplex can be used.
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