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| zpat |
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| Monk |
| Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 1:01 am Post subject: |
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and yet we use FTP...:)
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| Vitor |
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At the end of the day, it comes down to your requirements, your site standards and your budget. Even the weighting you give these points is specific to you.
All solutions are unique.
My 2 cents - I don't use ftp for automated production file transfer. It's a cool solution where a file has been produced for the users and they need to pull it down onto a local machine but it's too uncontrolled for prod (for all the reasons so eloquently expounded by my associate further up this thread).
But that's just me. Other views are equally valid and may be supportable.
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| Monk |
| Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 1:59 am Post subject: |
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fair enough guys...
bt we have something called "managed FTP"..
which does provide a reliable , robust file transfer solution..
and managed FTP is definetly a better solution than MQ..
because "managed FTP" provides all that MQ provides(for moving files)and simple..
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| jefflowrey |
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So you're asking if some nebulous, undefined "managed FTP" product is better than MQ for a one time, single file transfer?
Who cares? Move the file and be done.
It's only when you're looking at building an automated procedure that any real considerations apply - including things like security and etc.
Never underestimate the bandwidth of a backpack full of flash drives.
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| zpat |
| Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 3:44 am Post subject: |
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The FTP disadvantages (originally written by me) relate to the basic, free, Unix style FTP line command.
There are of course, proper File Transfer products such as Connect Direct which address many of the issues raised.
The issues generally related to large scale, unattended & automated use of file transfer.
If you are sitting at a command prompt ready to deal with the issues, then they can be overcome manually. |
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| Vitor |
| Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 3:48 am Post subject: |
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| zpat wrote: |
| There are of course, proper File Transfer products such as Connect Direct which address many of the issues raised. |
Which of course opens the door to the cost/benefit case of such products as opposed to something like PM4Data! 
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The issues generally related to large scale, unattended & automated use of file transfer.
If you are sitting at a command prompt ready to deal with the issues, then they can be overcome manually. |
Absolutely yes, as I said above 
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| ashoon |
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thanks but can't take the credit for that since those statements were collected from both here and other sources however it does provide good ammunition why one should not use FTP for data movement.
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| ashoon |
| Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 6:37 am Post subject: Re: MQ Vs FTP |
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I recall when a large retailer said I'll just use FTP to move my financial and inventory data between stores and HQ. That amounts to 3,000 files a day, 7 days a week with an average of 3% failure per day... so 90 failures a day which are manually reconciled.
That relates to 3 full-time staff at HQ and a Windows jockey per store who manually reconcile the transfers daily since they don't know which file failed and when...
not sure what kind of system you're designing BUT is this the headache you want to put your users through? Also have you really thought about the financial risk/costs associated with transmission failures? And is it that much harder to write to a queue than create a file and initiate an FTP transfer?
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Hi All,
This is a general design question .
I have a client/server scenario , MQ client is installed on many of the client m/c and I have one MQ server.
Now I need to implement file transfer over MQ.
My deliemma is , whether FTP can do the job , since we have a client server architecture.
Can MQ provide any benefit in this client server architecture.
I mean to say...some people claim that FTP is not reliable .
Can MQ be reliable to send files in a Client / server scenario or just plain simple FTP will do?
Any ideas/inputs on this will be much appreciated.
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| skydoor |
| Posted: Mon Nov 19, 2007 3:28 am Post subject: |
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We have had to use ftp before and it is not a good idea. It is 97% to 99% reliable but, as ashoon stated, it is a nightmare to manage as that 1% to 3% creates volumes of support that you do not want. This is apart from other problems that could arise.
One possible solution could be file adapters. One example is JText. |
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| aspre1b |
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MQ is asynchronous.
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I thought Voyager was referring to a client server senerio, using an MQ client to connect to a queue manager. I thought this type of connection was synchronous. Only if the client had a queue manager of its won would it be asynchronous.
If the client did have a queue manager of its own, you could always use reference messages (comes in one of the support packs) assuming both ends were Wintel platforms. |
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| amarlow |
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| elvis_gn wrote: |
Hi Monk,
But then I don't think the MQ File transfer is a good option for production...it does not have APIs to program the file pick and tranfer...
Rather I would suggest you look at some FTP app or Adapters with some tool like Message Broker...
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I can think of one advantage of using a queue instead of FTP. When the volume of data is very large (i.e gigs and gigs) then trickling the data over a queue may be better. Transferring gigs via FTP will place a strain on the network. Using a queue helps you avoid a huge network transfer.
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| gbaddeley |
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| amarlow wrote: |
| I can think of one advantage of using a queue instead of FTP. When the volume of data is very large (i.e gigs and gigs) then trickling the data over a queue may be better. Transferring gigs via FTP will place a strain on the network. Using a queue helps you avoid a huge network transfer. |
MQ will deliver the queued messages as soon as practical using all available network bandwidth, unless you have some program logic to trickle feeding the messages into the queue.
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| Rocky_bhai |
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| What are the differences(comparision) between FTP and MQ in terms of parameters like scalability, security, coding effort, reliability, availability, file size, file format, cost? |
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| bruce2359 |
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What research have you done? What were your reearch results?
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