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exerk
PostPosted: Mon Oct 26, 2015 8:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Vitor wrote:
Do you not trust IBM?

See my earlier post in regard to the DoJ and Microsoft - the added kicker about that is that under the rules they're not allowed to inform the 'customer' that they've been tapped for the information; vendor-managed, on-premises managed cloud could then become a legal football, or minefield depending on your outlook, establishing what constitutes one company's business records and ownership from another's. And a 'large federal court' has pretty much just struck down and nullified the current safe-harbour agreement between a couple of continents.

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And the cloud we're building here is entirely private - it's our people, our hardware, our network.

Then I agree it's truly private.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 26, 2015 8:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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bruce2359 wrote:
So, what's the definition of cloud??

At a Hursley WUG presentation one of the presenters said that you'll get a different answer from every person you ask
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 26, 2015 8:33 am    Post subject: Re: head hurts - ipaas? openstack? Reply with quote

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IIB is clearly going to move into the cloud worlds (IaaS / PaaS); it's clearly the Next Big Thing so IBM will move into it like they move into all NBT. IIB & MQ already have integration with cloud provisioning tools like Chef and Puppet, and I think the next step will be "shrink wrapped" IIB and MQ (I would imagine using Docker or some such container).


We already have!

For anyone that missed the announcement, we released a fully managed Integration Bus on Cloud offering recently:

http://www-03.ibm.com/software/products/en/ibm-integration-bus-on-cloud

There's a free trial if anybody wants to try it out
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A private, managed cloud is as private as a) your contract terms says it has to be (including who owns records), b) the trust you have in the staff of the managing company.

Obviously, the more expensive and severe the penalties in the contract on the managing staff, the more trustworthy the other side will make sure to be.
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mqjeff wrote:
A private, managed cloud is as private as a) your contract terms says it has to be (including who owns records), b) the trust you have in the staff of the managing company.

I can have the utmost faith in the contract and those whom staff it, however, if a certain body decides that any data handled by the managing company constitutes part of their business records, and can force that company to hand it over - and without telling me - that trust will have proved to be as much use as a chocolate fire-guard. At least if I manage it I'll know when 'they' come knocking...
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I offered this to an IT executive client when he suggested outsourcing to India or some other country:

80% of your revenue comes from the top 20% of your clients. What recourse will you have if the outsourcer is compromised, and discloses your client data?

His first answer was that he'd file a lawsuit. I asked: How will you afford a lawsuit if we've lost your customers?

He quoted Homer (Simpson): "Doh!"
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bruce2359 wrote:
I asked: How will you afford a lawsuit if we've lost your customers?


Include costs in with the damages, and work out a deal where they take a percentage of any punitive damages.

It's how you sue anyone when a) you can't afford the lawsuit or b) the person you're suing has more money than you and/or wins lawsuits by outlasting plaintives. It works surprisingly well.

I stand by all of my earlier comments. In summary:
- any company that doesn't like outsourcing probably won't go public cloud
- a lot of companies will go public cloud without planning or even thinking about it that hard
- cloud is a provisioning mechanism not a location, despite the number of 3rd party suppliers hosting clouds on their own hardware
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We already have!

For anyone that missed the announcement, we released a fully managed Integration Bus on Cloud offering recently:

http://www-03.ibm.com/software/products/en/ibm-integration-bus-on-cloud

There's a free trial if anybody wants to try it out


is this different from hypervisor edition if so, can you please share how?
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We already have!

For anyone that missed the announcement, we released a fully managed Integration Bus on Cloud offering recently:

http://www-03.ibm.com/software/products/en/ibm-integration-bus-on-cloud

There's a free trial if anybody wants to try it out


is this different from hypervisor edition if so, can you please share how?


Did you read the link?

Does it say anything about hypervisor?
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paustin_ours wrote:
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We already have!

For anyone that missed the announcement, we released a fully managed Integration Bus on Cloud offering recently:

http://www-03.ibm.com/software/products/en/ibm-integration-bus-on-cloud

There's a free trial if anybody wants to try it out


is this different from hypervisor edition if so, can you please share how?


It is very different to the hypervisor edition.

We take care of the hardware, operating systems, and software stack.
You just give us BAR files (integrations) containing your applications and message flows, and we run them.

There's a video on YouTube that provides an introduction to this new offering:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qo9jbRuRNtk
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