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askeggs
PostPosted: Wed May 14, 2014 6:51 pm    Post subject: How to tell if AMS is in use Reply with quote

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Hi,

I've been queried as to whether AMS (MQ Advanced Message Security) can be removed from a particular host to reduce license fees.

I actually didn't know it was installed and have never had any experience of it but I've confirmed that it is installed:

C:\Documents and Settings\adamskeg>dspmqver -p 128
Name: WebSphere MQ Advanced Message Security
Version: 7.5.0.2
Level: p750-002-130627
BuildType: IKAP - (Production)

This is on Win 2003.

I've confirmed there are no policies.

C:\Documents and Settings\adamskeg>dspmqspl -m xyz
No policies found.


Which, from my reading so far suggests it's not in use but I'm not sure it doesn't have other hooks here and there.

What's the easy way to tell (apart from remove it and see what happens) ?
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gbaddeley
PostPosted: Thu May 15, 2014 3:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Adam?

AFAIK, AMS is now bundled in WMQ 7.5 at no extra charge, though you should confirm this with your IBM sales rep. If its not in use then it should be possible to uninstall this component.

To actually use AMS, 2 queues need to be created, check if they exist SYSTEM.PROTECTION.*
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RogerLacroix
PostPosted: Thu May 15, 2014 3:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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gbaddeley wrote:
AFAIK, AMS is now bundled in WMQ 7.5 at no extra charge, though you should confirm this with your IBM sales rep.

That's not what I was told. AMS, MFT/FTE and MQTT Server are bundled with WMQ v7.5, but if you install them, then you need to pay extra fees to IBM (on top of WMQ fees).

I would definitely check with your IBM rep.

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askeggs
PostPosted: Thu May 15, 2014 3:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The queues you mention do exist but are empty

QUEUE(SYSTEM.PROTECTION.ERROR.QUEUE) TYPE(QLOCAL)
CURDEPTH(0)
AMQ8409: Display Queue details.
QUEUE(SYSTEM.PROTECTION.POLICY.QUEUE) TYPE(QLOCAL)
CURDEPTH(0)

That there are no policies matches up with the dspmqspl output already seen. No policies == not in use you are saying.

Bundled? Not so much.
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This query has come from our license management section so we must be paying for it right now. Indeed this confirms it:

http://www-01.ibm.com/software/websphere/subscriptionandsupport/compare-mq-versions.html

"Managed File Transfer and Advanced Message Security capabilities available within WebSphere MQ as additional licensing option"
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MQsysprog
PostPosted: Thu May 15, 2014 10:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I have found a good presentation on this subject at :

https://www-950.ibm.com/events/wwe/impact/impact2013cms.nsf/download/k85370b7b3318331813e58473df3/$FILE/Impact2013_TSM-1760.pdf

It takes all the subjects well ,in particular the functional architecture of the product.
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pennharris
PostPosted: Wed Jul 02, 2014 6:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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This is a great source help with.
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fjb_saper
PostPosted: Wed Jul 02, 2014 8:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The licensing really depends on whether you are paying for MQ Advanced or standard MQ. Check with your IBM Rep who has the final say, but I believe with MQ Advanced this might just be a nominal (low) fee.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 21, 2014 4:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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MQsysprog wrote:
I have found a good presentation on this subject at :

https://www-950.ibm.com/events/wwe/impact/impact2013cms.nsf/download/k85370b7b3318331813e58473df3/$FILE/Impact2013_TSM-1760.pdf

It takes all the subjects well ,in particular the functional architecture of the product.


Thanks for sharing this It was really helpful
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